This post is just for those of us local to southern California. First I will say that I see WinHost is located in Pasadena, not far (about 8 miles) from DiscountASP.NET. So I wonder if any of the WinHost people were at DiscountASP.NET. It does not matter to me; I am just curious and you can ignore that if you want. Nearly 30 years ago I regularly hiked up the Gabrieleno Trail from near JPL. I eventually got to Switzer Falls a few times and once I went all the way to Red Box and back. One or more of you WinHost people might know what I mean. I also hiked to the top of Strawberry Peak, Echo Mountain, Mount Wilson (from Sierra Madre) and even Mount Baldy.